When did you first realize things were going wrong between you and President Trump? And he’d say, “Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, this stuff really works.”He would take just as seriously their opinion — based on no data, just anecdote — that something might really be important. It was always, “A guy called me up, a friend of mine from blah, blah, blah.” That’s when my anxiety started to escalate. Then, starting in January, February of 2020, it was an intense involvement going down to the White House very, very frequently. Alex Azar was running the White House Coronavirus Task Force, and then suddenly Mike Pence was, and President Trump was at the podium taking the questions and arguing with reporters.

Source: New York Times January 24, 2021 18:35 UTC